-wyi counterpoint kirby. counter point selfless heroes. counterpoint disney villains from the renaissance. counterpoint characters that make smart choices literally don't have to die.

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      I know my writing and I have all the counterpoints to this statement. been writing ever since I was 4 years old and I can tell you a few things about writing stories.

        there are many ways to make a good story

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          You are both amazing writers, but I’m afraid that I’m ultimately better than you both.
          You see, my characters are not understood, but instead revered, idolized, and worshipped.

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                ima have to go with this not a narcissist over here

                person Of course, These are ignorable guidelines, not laws.

                  I just scribble on my paper so hard that my teachers can’t read it and they give me a good grade

                    INTERNECION Counterpoint: these are tips not rules Counterpoint: Selfless heros generally have a faint motive to be selfless, such as morals. Counterpoint I said how to avoid writing those. Counterpoint: okay, fair, but I mean like, if you keep just bringing back characters after they die, death is no longer much of a threat.

                        -wyi counter point: I never said that these tips were rules and only counterpointing and giving an example that works. Counterpoint: still as selfless heroes they do have something to want however whenever it's a protagonist that will literally die for nothing and not give a f about it, which actually exists, it can counterpoint your counterpoint. Counterpoint you should've said how to avoid writing those poorly, you can have something such as that but saying to flatout avoid something that could possibly work in the story is kind of a bit of a false fact. Villains just being villains for no reason can and will work in the right setting. JUST LOOK AT PUSS IN BOOTS TWO. Counterpoint those can work if written well. Bringing back characters just cause can actually work believe it or not. Just look at some comedies. You'll see what I mean I told you I have counterpoints for the counterpoints of my counterpoints

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                            okay but like, Fighting pure evil time after time, and having them being written to be pure evil, that sucks.
                            It’s just.. like.. gah. It’s like writing a character without flaws.
                            Now, if it’s funny, or if they are charismatic, or done right, or people literally take into account what they do and it’s not just the hero’s who are harmed, then it is good.
                            Jack was literally a sociopath, and y’know what? He was a well written one, one who was completely aware, but just didn’t care. (Ignore the rhyme)
                            Disney villains are entertaining. Basically, pure evil sucks unless it’s the “magnificent but also complete fricking bas_____* trope, in which case it’s awesome.
                            The thing I was targeting was “I do this cause it’s evil” because then.. it’s just boring unless you make jokes based on that fact.
                            Even jack has somethings to show for himself, (rich and happy upbringing, total entitlement, need for attention).
                            I’m not saying all villains should be someone you should be able to feel bad for, but they have to be someone nevertheless.

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                                -wyi Y’know, not just like, Some random dude who lives a normal life deciding “today I’m the joker”. Like, if so, there should either be forshadowing, or a breaking point, or something, not just a civilian spontaneously beating the crud out of people.

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